2011MSF申请总结——给下届战友的一些小建议
怕再拖下去就写不出来了。自己完整地经历了一次申请，期间碰到过很多问题，也有很多感触。如果再申请一次，肯定会有一些改进。所以我觉得应该把这些感想都写下来，留给下一届申请的同学们作为参考。大家随便看看，有些很主观的东西也欢迎拍砖。
我的背景：211经济，750，108，3.71, 四个实习
申请了八所学校：MIT, WUSTL, VANDY, CMC, ROCHESTER, UIUC, PURDUE, BRADEIS. 结果在签名里有。不算大牛，但是一路辛苦下来，最终能够去一个喜欢的学校，我自己已经很满意了。下面一个一个问题来吧。
选校
花了两个礼拜，按照综排仔仔细细看了前50的每所学校官网，找自己感兴趣的专业，做成一张excel。我个人觉得这个过程非常非常重要！因为刚开始申请的时候对什么都一头雾水，有种无从下手的感觉。做school field research是很有效的入门手段。我自己最大的感受就是，最开始上CD，学校缩写看不懂，哪所好哪所不好都是通过看别人的回帖。作完research，论坛里的标题都能看懂了，看别人的回帖偶尔还会有“我靠，扯蛋呢吧”的感觉。
MSF or MSA
我个人是专注于MSF的，最初是因为听起来比较有趣，没有做太深入的研究也没有考虑太多找工作的事儿。开始申请以后看到CDer的纠结帖，前辈们的经验贴，确实偶尔会犹豫，但是没有犹豫太久，因为并不是选了金融以后一辈子就碰不了会计，也不是读了会计就跟金融没关系了。这两个专业根本就是通的。无论选了哪个，任何时候想变道都只是多读几本书的事情。按着自己的兴趣选吧又不是生离死别。
对于已经开始申请的同学们，我一直觉得，如果想申请就果断准备材料去，不要把时间浪费在纠结上，比如上来发贴问：我到底该不该申请xxx呢？有这点时间，材料都写得差不多了。而对于那些想申请最后又因为各种原因没申的，这事儿就此打住，不要患得患失，总想着如果当时怎样怎样就好了。。。认准一条路，就坚定地走下去。纠结这东西，纯粹是自己找自己麻烦。
给申请这八所学校的同学们的小tips
MIT: 重在参与的学校。无面试，默拒。没啥看法，哈哈。
WUSTL: Jan Snow面试。跟她聊天很愉快，但是要注意两点：1，面试官手里有你写的essay和cv，所以尽量不要说essay上写过的东西，聊些新的东西。我当时不知道就复述了一遍我essay上写过的biggest accomplishment，后来觉得自己煞笔了。2，Jan问的问题很活，比如我说到自己的高中很注重对中国历史文化的教育，结果她就来了句，那你说说如果能让你回到过去，你想去哪个朝代。所以筒子们，千万别自己挖坑给自己跳啊！！
VANDY: 面经之前写过，可以搜到。我对vandy的看法跟版上洋溢的正面气氛不太一致，这里要先跟大王斑竹说声抱歉了。初来论坛的时候看了大王写的vandy帖子，让我对vandy充满了爱，觉得一定要申。但是说实话，整个申请过程下来，我真心没有感受到vandy的热情。给小米写信永远都是冷冰冰的一句话回复，速度倒是很快的。记得那时候还没提交，在绞尽脑汁写第二篇contribution的essay。我写信给小米请他们帮忙找几个在读学生好了解了解情况，他们冷冰冰地回了我一句“我们不能提供学生的联系方式”。然后我说那能否把我的信forward给他们，请他们与我联系。。然后小米就再也没鸟过我。
这件事让我挺气的，其他几所学校都很积极地帮我找在校生，只有vandy比较冷淡。因为这个疙瘩，我开始觉得vandy没有想象中那么友好了。。。可惜后来我没出息阿，还是乖乖付了申请费。。嘿嘿。
vandy很重视一个问题：how to adjust yourself into a new environment
ROCHESTER: 最热情的一所学校，学生对学校的commitment也很强，让我很有好感。面试官手里只有cv，所以牛皮可以乱吹，借鉴essay神马的都没问题。
UIUC,PURDUE:这两个要一起说。都是很注重工作经验的学校。作为应届生，我当时不信邪，仗着有实习偏要申，结果不出所料悲剧了。相信未来还是会有很多很多跟我一样不信邪的同学们去申。我给的建议是：请应届的同学除了突出自己的实习经理外，在申请材料里一定一定写明，我虽然是应届，但是6月初过来读书没问题。这个可能是我们能做的最大努力了。
Brandeis: 无面试，跟小米也没有太多接触。我和我朋友差不多背景，材料也互相看过。他25%的offer，我ad. 咱们俩各种比较下来，发现brandeis十分注重第二篇essay的质量！请各位一定要好好写。没有international experience的同学就着重表现自己的leadership！
CMC：最后决定去的学校。很明显的优势：学费和地理位置。很明显的劣势：名气。所以最后还是看每个人各自的权衡吧。申请这个学校，建议是要有耐心。。。小米一直处于消极怠工状态。。。发过去的邮件偶尔才回。。。再加上不是applyyourself系统，申请完了除了等以外什么都看不到。。。更多的信息，可能要等到过去以后再提供了。
名校情节
有三所学校，有名校情节的同学应该去申
DUKE MMS, 我去听过他们的宣讲会，问了一个mms刚毕业的老外，他说如果你希望学一些technical的东西，mms可能不适合。但是除了课程比较general以外，其他的我感觉都很不错。不care的同学不要错过了。另外，如果有宣讲会，可以积极参加，参加的可以免申请费。。。
JHU MSF, 应届生能申，而且可以变成fulltime。我有同学申到的。
COLUMBIA mathematical finance， 我觉得又名校情节的都该申个columbia，虽然贵，但是录的可能性高。而且每年都要留意一下他们的专业，说不定明年又要新开专业了。
打了好多。。最后想强调一点！不管别人说什么，最终的决定一定一定要自己做！
娱乐娱乐，来论坛发个贴，吹吹牛扯扯蛋，这挺好的。但你要真打算从论坛里得到有价值的信息，那真心需要一双慧眼。
虽然我特喜欢看那种xxx vs. xxx的讨论帖投票帖，大家热热闹闹各抒己见，我也喜欢到处评论选这个选那个。但是事实是，我不需要为我说的话负责的，而你需要为你的选择负责。所以，坛子里的东西，嘻嘻哈哈看过就算了。真正的决定只能你一个人做！
[本帖最后由 hyyan9 于 2011-02-08 01:53:39 编辑]
Applied: 8
Offer/AD: CMC(75%), Brandeis, Rochester($15,000)
WL: WUSTL
Rej: UIUC, PURDUE, VANDY, MIT
2012MSF 985&211 Financial Engineering
750+5.5 105(22) 水实习×2 HK交换半年
AD: Buffalo, Case, Tulane, UMD(CP), HKU(Decision)
Rej: Syracuse, WUSTL, Rochester, Bentley, CMC, CUHK
2012 Fall MSF
Applied: Rochester, CMC, MIT, WUSTL, Brandeis, LSE-F&E, UMD, Vandy, IC, Duke-MMS
AD: Rochester ($10,000), IC, UMD
Rej: CMC, WUSTL, LSE-F&E, Duke-MMS, Vandy
WL: MIT, Brandeis
2012 Fall MSF
Applied: Rochester, CMC, MIT, WUSTL, Brandeis, LSE-F&E, UMD, Vandy, IC, Duke-MMS
AD: Rochester ($10,000), IC, UMD
Rej: CMC, WUSTL, LSE-F&E, Duke-MMS, Vandy
WL: MIT, Brandeis
拿到IC的AD的童鞋请加群191848109~
Applied: UR, MIT, UIUC, WUSTL(C), Vandy, EDHEC
Interviews: MIT, UR, WUSTL(C)
Offer: UR, EDHEC
Rej: UIUC MIT Vandy WUSTL(C)
Apply：MSF
Rej：Wustl、vandy、LSE、OSU、Tulane
Interview：NEU
AD：IC，Warwick，Drexel, UMD（被扔到SCM）
Vote for IC，这个项目唯一可能的缺点是班太大，2011fall210+人，4个大班分开授课；
IC的career service做得相当好的，贴个Imperial MSF full time employment data，40%+ ibank FO，10%+买方/HF，这样霸气的报告，能超过它的美校有多少呢？Vandy，WUSTL两家加起来都没它强。。。
帝国理工学院 - Imperial College London首页 学校中心 | 中英网U...
Imperial College London
恭喜校友=] G 720. T 102 211 2年 美本 2年 Math/Econ
Applied: MSF: Wustl Sycrause Rochester cmu Delaware
Phd: U of Chicago USC Rice Texas at Austin Oregon
AD: msf: WUSTL Sycrause UR mfe: cmuWl:
Interview: Wustl
Rej: USC(phd) Chicago USC rice uta
2012秋季MSF
非211，985. G710, T101，国有银行+本土事务所intern
rej: UIUC, syracuse
2011国内金融小本，GMAT 760, IELTS 7.5, GPA 3.7, 澳大利亚一年交换，中行等实习
Major MSF
AD: Brandeis, UMD, Case, Tulane, Delaware
Rej: Duke, WUSTL, Purdue, UIUC
2011 MSF
apply：UR, UMD, SYR, bentley, GWU, NEU, Brandeis
ad: UMD, UR+10K
rej:SYR bentley
面:NEU
LZ很牛啊~！ 必须thanks for sharing啊！
2011 FALL MSF
apply：12
Offer：IIT（$18337）
AD： Depaul，UTD
WL：Clark
To cynthia888
不好意思我刚看到。我是第一轮出结果前一星期收到面试通知的。从提交到出结果大概一个月。
我就把我知道的情况跟你说下吧，这届是招25个人，现在中国人有3个国内本科和一个国外本科有OFFER，还有一个同学是waitinglist。拿到OFFER的三个里有一个已经decline了。这些信息仅供参考，希望对你有帮助。
Applied: 8 8.18 济南一战 GMAT 740+4.0
10.31济南三战TOEFL104
MSF: Maryland, UIUC, Purdue, Buffalo, Arizona, Rochester
Rej: Purdue, UIUC, U of Rochester
AD: U of Arizona, U of Maryland，SUNY at Buffalo
MSF,T101,G740,GPA86%,金融非211
Apply:Brandeis,Maryland,Purdue,UIUC,Tulane,Case,Syracuse,Arizona
AD:Syracuse,Arizona,Maryland,Brandeis
Rej:Purdue,UIUC,Tulane
730 100 3.4 无工作 水实习 不淡定。。
ad: Arizona Maryland Depaul Pepperdine
rej: Syracuse UIUC Purdue Case
2011MSF
720/102/3.6
REJ: BC Rochester Brandeis Bentley
AD: Maryland Rutgers(MQF) Drexel Pace ($3200安慰奖==) DePaul Clark Hofstra
排名 Claremont McKenna College
robert day school of economis & finance,Claremont McKenna College
G680, T waived, GPA 3.2, 一个实习
本科美国Tier 3一般大学Marketing专业，申MSF~
Rej: 4
Interview: 1
Ad: OSU Fisher SMF & JHU Carey MSF
我有个同学G720，T105+，绩点88左右，实习不清楚，社团什么的应该没啥，UR很早拒了他，之前一直
没有别的学校的ad，5月收到了面试，面试第二天收到JHU的MSF的ad。个人觉得比UR，vandy，wustl
还是容易一些的。
先介绍一下申请背景：我今年6月本科毕业，现在正在苦逼的赶毕业论文中。
背景：郑州大学西亚斯国际学院，中美双学位（中方金融＋美方工商管理）。实习经历：家乡本地教育局暑期实习一次。科研经历无，校内活动少量。GPA3.33，GMAT730＋5.5,TOEFL107（听，说，读，写－27,24,28,28），GT都只考了一次，20xx年7月T，9月底考完G开始申请。春节前把所有学校申请递交完毕。另外参加了CD的master申请的workshop，算是准DIY吧。
－－－－－－－－－－－－－－－－－－－－－－－－－－－－－－－－－－－－－－－－－－－－－－ 申请项目和结果：
最终共申请了10个项目。
Rej: U of Rochester MSF, Villanova MSF
WL: GWU MSF, Boston College MSF full-time
AD: DePaul MSF, Drexel 加州校区 MSF, Loyola MSF corporate finance track, PPD MSAF, UMCP MSBF, Pace MS in Financial Management 带 3200刀／年奖。
－－－－－－－－－－－－－－－－－－－－－－－－－－－－－－－－－－－－－－－－－－－－－－ AD的学校里比较倾向去UMD，已经交了UMD的订金。
我终于也传统地来一段~全MSF~
AD：Temple(MSF改MSIM——莫名！已拒）,Saint Joseph's(已拒）,UTD（已延），
JHU(纠结）
Rej：Brandeis,SeattleU(是谁！谁去年没WE也被录了？！55刀啊~)WL：NU（唯
一面试的一家，530前给结果，你去当搞笑艺人吧~）
母鸡：LUC（拖到3月才交完他们想要的类型的ECE|||要我也不去，6万多学费偶
滴神！）其他：阿勒？！原来最后我只有提交8所学校哦？神奇苏米打~
啊，BG：211&985的综排50名大陆小本，T100（还是有复习3、50h的,30 23
23 24,嗯），G650（4th,丢银，前三次一样分都刚过600），GPA四舍五入有3.
3（具体忘了，北大算法&WES都这样，ECE开始算2.76吧后来突然变成3.13了|
||），大二寒假开始的5段杂实习（大多申请时简历上写的是这样），各种集中在
大一的小活动或奖项（我还把初中开始的一些奖项和活动都写了，后来才知有种
东西叫做Pro Resume，唉）
个人整理的MSF值得参考的4个排名，usnews college＋business graduate，business week，financial time
首先我想大家肯定关注的是综合排名，也就是usnews 的 overall
college ranking，这是本科排名但是对于商科的声誉还是有一定的影响度，网址是：
http://colleges./best-colleges/rankings/national-universities对于msf而言，尤其应届而言前50不多，看一下前60的吧，一共差不多20所
overall ranking university
2 （仙的级别） 7
（神的级别）
13 （可能是part time的msf）
13 (理想的学校，偏数理）
17 （理想的学校，但时间较短，位置略偏）
31 （需要工作经验）
34 （maief项目一般，综排较高，商排没有）
37 （偏数理的项目，综排较高，商排没有）
37 （传统金融强校，金融方面top，商学院今年略降，location略差）
41 （综排较高，商排比较低，质量一般，location略差）
47 （基本不收应届生，需要工作经验）
51 （老牌商学院，能源＋burkenroad report，商排挺高，地点略偏）
51 （可能需要工作经验，并且可能晚上上课）
53 （风景美丽，价格高昂，课程简单，位置一流，商排略低）
53 （基本不收国际生） 55 （名气尚可，商科排名不高，可延期2年，地点略偏）
56 （数理金融项目可算一流） 56 （数理金融项目可算一流） 56 （smf，今年新开项目，商科排名很高，老牌商学院）
56 （可能需要工作经验）
56 （mbf，招生的国人非常多，地点尚可，商排尚可）
其次大家肯定还关注另一个就是usnews的商学院排名，虽然是mba的排名但是对于msf有一定的作用，看一下前80的。20xx年刚更新，网址：
http://grad-schools./best-graduate-schools/top-business-schools/mba-rankings
business ranking university
3
20 25 28
34
34
37 40
45
45 52
69
75 80
值得注意的是综排前60的学校有brandeis，lehigh，fordham 没有进入商学院前100
business week的full time mba排名是由bloomberg主办，在商科排名方面非常有说服力，可以看一下，其代表了一定的学术水准 他家所排的tier 1 school中msf只有mit入围
tier2有一些：
32
35
37
38
40
41
42
43
46
50
51
52
55 Rutgers University - Newark and New Brunswick
56
57
网址：/bschools/rankings/
最后是英国financial time的global mba排名，也是2011最新排名，网址：/businessschoolrankings/global-mba-rankings-2011， msf进入前100的学校不多
school rank 9
40 46 51 52 68 72 74 92
financial time排名不值的多看，每年变化很大。建议选看usnews商排和business week为主，毕竟msf与mba师资相同，usnews综排辅助一看为了便于有较高综合背景者的申请定位，将这些院校细分为三档。这种划分只大体反映了院校的声誉、地点等因素，以及由此决定的申请的难易程度，对于没有特殊背景和特殊考虑的申请者有一定参考作用，并不是一般意义上的权威的排名。
第一档： WUSTL，BC，VANDY， ROCHESTER。
第二档：Claremont McKenna College，UIUC，PURDUE，UMD，GWU，TULANE，BRANDEIS-MSF，OSU。
第三档： BRANDIES-MAIEF，LEHIGH，CWRU，SYRU，AU。（非权威）
个人认为对于应届生可选的top tier：mit，vandy，cmc，wustl；second tier：rochester，tulane，umd，osu，brandeis－maief，lehigh；third tier：cwru，syracuse，au，pepperdine（may be）
Overview of The Robert Day School of Economics and Finance
History
Claremont McKenna College ("CMC"), one of the nation's most prestigious, selective liberal arts colleges, is located in Claremont, California and has a curricular emphasis on economics, leadership and public affairs. CMC is a member of The Claremont Colleges, which is a cluster of autonomous colleges, including Harvey Mudd College, Pitzer College, Pomona College, Scripps College, Claremont Graduate University and Keck Graduate
Institute. CMC's mission is to educate students for responsible
leadership roles in business, government and the professions, a unique and important position in American higher education. These
outward-looking fields attract students who are pragmatic in the way they approach their education and who seek to make a difference in today's world.
In 2007, alumnus Robert Day ('65) made a $200 million gift to establish the Robert Day Scholars Program, which sponsors generous fellowships and co-curricular activities for both undergraduate and graduate students who pursue coursework in economics, accounting, finance, and leadership studies. As a result of the gift, the economics and accounting departments at CMC were renamed The Robert Day School of Economics and Finance ("RDS"). Today, in addition to the School's undergraduate programs in economics and economics-accounting, The Robert Day School is home to the
undergraduate Robert Day Scholars Program and the Master's Program in Finance.
Programs
RDS offers both graduate and undergraduate students the opportunity to pursue coursework and research in economics, finance, and accounting. Students interested in economics and finance attend CMC because it boasts the largest economics faculty of any liberal arts college in the nation and because it is home to ten research institutes, including the Financial Economics Institute, Berger Institute for Work, Family and Children, Kravis Leadership Institute and Lowe Institute of Political Economy, all of which allow students to conduct real world research alongside faculty. Undergraduate Programs
Degree Programs and Course Sequences
Economics Majors - The economics curriculum is designed to give students an understanding of economic behavior and institutions, along with the development of specific analytic skills. Emphasis is on developing the analytical, communication, and interpersonal skills of individual students. Students majoring in economics are required to take the
following: (i) three core courses in economics; (ii) a statistics course; (iii) six economics elective courses; and (iv) complete a senior thesis Economics-Accounting Majors - The economics-accounting curriculum is designed to offer students an opportunity to learn accounting as the language of business within a liberal arts setting. Emphasis is on developing the analytical, communication, and interpersonal skills of individual students. Students majoring in economics-accounting are required to take the following: (i) three core courses in economics; (ii) three major-required courses; (iii) an econometrics course; (iv) a
statistics course; (v) four accounting elective courses; and (vi) complete a senior thesis.
Financial Economics Sequence - For students interested in gaining more knowledge about finance, RDS offers a specific sequence of courses in financial economics, which has a rigorous quantitative focus and consists of the following: (i) prerequisite courses in mathematics, statistics and economics; (ii) two financial economics courses; (iii) three elective financial economics courses; and (iv) an independent research project that addresses a financial economics topic with an oral defense. Leadership Sequence - For students interested in the scholarly study and practice of leadership, the Kravis Leadership Institute offers a specific sequence of courses in leadership, which consists of the following: (i) an ethics course; (ii) two core courses in government and psychology; (iii) a breadth course in economics, government, history, literature, military science or religious studies; and (iv) an experiential course in government, military science or psychology.
The Robert Day Scholars Program
The undergraduate component of the Robert Day Scholars Program takes juniors from all five Claremont Colleges through a sequence of courses in finance, accounting and organizational behavior, along with a rich program of co-curricular activities. The selection process for this program is highly competitive and seeks to identify students with
significant leadership aptitude and strong analytical skills. Robert Day Scholars are required to complete the following: (i) two courses in finance; (ii) two courses in accounting; (iii) two courses in
organizational behavior; and (iv) a series of co-curricular activities, including Training the Street (a financial modeling and valuation workshop), oral and written communication workshops, and a case competition.
Master's Program in Finance
Overview
The goal of the one-year Master's Program in Finance at RDS is to provide exceptional students with demonstrated leadership potential a rigorous year of finance-focused academics and co-curricular activities. Although the Program focuses on quantitative and analytical work, it does not seek to produce classes of managers and financial modelers. Instead, the Program is committed to discovering tomorrow's business leaders and providing them with the skills essential to succeed in today's world. Our students come from a variety of backgrounds and are interested in a wide range of careers both inside and outside the financial services industry, including banking, sales and trading, risk management, asset management, forecasting, and applied research.
To be considered for the Master's Program in Finance, students must have completed coursework in economics, econometrics, accounting, finance, multi-variable calculus and organizational behavior. The Program does not require prior work experience and most applicants are recent gradates of prominent colleges and universities. The Program begins with a two-week lab course that provides an intensive review of the mathematics of finance and an introduction to computing with various languages in a
PC/Workstation environment. The fall semester focuses on finance,
economics and econometrics, giving students the advanced understanding they need to navigate markets, manage investments portfolios and design an organization's capital structure through courses in Corporate Financial Management, Investments, Financial Economics and Financial Econometrics. In the spring, students delve into valuation of assets and more complex financial instruments, while experiencing a
cross-disciplinary approach to how organizations operate, through
courses in Asset Pricing and Derivatives, Portfolio Management, Advanced Accounting Analysis, and Economics, Strategy and Organization.
However, graduate students at RDS have much more than a purely academic experience. The co-curricular activities provide students with multiple opportunities to practice their skills outside of the classroom through workshops covering such topics as valuation, financial modeling, and oral and written communication. Additionally, graduate students enjoy intimate interaction with faculty, alumni and guest speakers through networking events, the RDS Distinguished Speaker Series, and the Economics Seminar Series.
The Difference between the Master's Program in Finance and an MBA or Financial Engineering Program
The Master's Program in Finance can be easily differentiated from MBA and financial engineering programs. Unlike an MBA program, the Master's Program in Finance narrowly focuses on finance and the related
prerequisite disciplines (such as statistics, accounting, etc.). This allows students to deeply delve into the intricacies of finance and to incorporate all of the interdisciplinary aspects of modern finance, such as financial mathematics, financial econometrics, computational finance, behavioral finance and corporate finance. For this reason, the Master's Program in Finance consists of more quantitative courses when compared to a typical MBA program. Additionally, unlike financial engineering programs, the Master's Program in Finance emphasizes a multidisciplinary and practical approach to finance, which is not specifically focused on mathematics, and provides opportunities to apply financial theory to real-world situations.